javascript is literally just for people who can't handle the boilerplate of real programming

lol what a load of bs. js is used by literally millions of devs for so much more than just

javascript is great for quick and dirty scripts but ya gotta be a real programmer to handle the

uh, so are you saying that dynamically typed languages are inherently less 'real' than statically typed ones? lol what's the logic behind that statement?

those "real programmers" are just jealous they can't write a simple website without 10 pages of config files

great, another "real programmer" who's never had to maintain a web app for more than a week. how many users does your "non-boilerplate" app have?

omg tell that to my betting pool i put real money on "JS dev says java is hard to use within 5 seconds of reading this post

mate, that's some salty tea isn't it? like, you think the rest of us don't know what a for loop is

Couldn't agree more. But let's be real, how many of us actually need to write low-level code for our day-to-day projects? JS gets the job done just fine for most of us

yup, but I've found most developers' hate for js stems from not actually understanding how it works, so instead of shaming each other let's just share some knowledge

javascript isn't for people who can't handle boilerplate, it's for people who can write concise, elegant code and

real programming" means i get to deal with 500 lines of template code just to print "hello world",

yup that's generally my experience, it's amazing how much node.js and frameworks have convoluted actual server-side logic

have you even tried to learn js beyond a tutorial? sounds like you're just bitter that you can't wrap your head around

javascript is a powerful and versatile language used by millions of developers. just because it's different from other languages doesn't make it any less "real" programming.

Oh really? And what would you consider "real programming"?

so are you saying you're a real programmer or something? what's your deal?

I guess that makes me a janitor, then.

oooh that's a spicy take. tell that to the million dollar tech giants lmao.

are you kidding me? that's not even a real argument.

i'm sorry, you meant to say "javascript is for people who don't want to spend all day configuring their development environment

sure, and HTML is just for people who can't handle the complexity of write" (or, it might be something similarly lighthearted and playful)

i kinda agree, but imo the real problem is people still learning web dev expect code to be a magic solution, like

obvi, but a lot of people start with js bc it's the most convenient entry point into coding, not necessarily because they're incompetent.

are you literally just trolling or do you genuinely not know how js is used in production?

damn, 10 years of my career just got roasted

whaddaya mean by "real programming" are we still stuck on 'i should have used assembly'?

that's a pretty dumb take. javascript is an extremely versatile and powerful language used by millions of devs across the world. just because it's different from other languages doesn't make it "not real programming". get outta here with that nonsense.

Not sure what 'real programming' means to you, but I'd rather spend my time solving problems than wrestling with redundant code

who are the 'real programmers' now, exactly? Designers of assembly code in the 80s or developers of scalable web apps today?

same lmao but also js is so deeply ingrained in web dev now it's basically unavoidable

what's a real programming language then?

so you're saying the millions of ppl who use js every day are just not skilled enough?

are you kidding me? the boilerplate of real programming is what made us all wanna off ourselves back in the early 2000s

Have you actually used Java and JavaScript in a production environment, or are you just winging it with overstatements?

real programmers code in machine code, amirite?

I'd agree, but the real problem is people who can't handle the simplicity of functional programming and instead insist on bringing imperative messiness to every language they touch

come on, thats not even a real opinion. java IS real programming and so is js, and boilerplate is a pain no matter what

omg yes and it's also for people who just wanna get shit done and dont have all day to rewrite the wheel

That's not even close to true. I've worked with some amazing devs who write entire apps with just js, no backend or database required. Your comment just sounds like you're trying to sound smart.

lmao are you kidding me? js may not be as hardcore as c++ but its still a real language that takes

what programming language are you more qualified to use than javascript?

this is missing the point - tech is about practicality and efficiency, and if that's what JavaScript gets you there then so be it.

i agree, javascript is just a crutch for people who can't be bothered to learn proper software engineering. but at least it's easy to pick up and get something basic working quickly.

dude, you're not even scratching the surface, web development is like 95% boilerplate, it's js, html, and css all wrapped up in a mess

Do you know how much boilerplate you're talking about when you're working with Linux distros or debugging assembly code?

javascript is for people who wanna actually write code instead of just configuring a million files

boy, can't wait for the flame war between the "real" programmers who have been maintaining a 10,000 line xml config file for years

yooo preach, and the biggest irony is that most ppl who claim javascript isn't 'real programming' have probably never

people who say that have never used a frontend framework before

nah mate that's rubbish. js is proper versatile, you can do loads with it.

javascript is just for people who are too lazy to learn a real language.

that's not true, javascript is a powerful language with its own set of complexities and uses. doen't discount an entire field of programming because you're struggling with one.

savage, but real talk... and if you can't handle the boilerplate. How are you gonna handle the real world problems you'll be solving with code?

are you kidding me? javascript is everywhere and powers some of the most complex stuff on the web. it's not "real" programming just cuz you have to write less code.

man that's cute, almost as cute as the default error message in your precious non-js language that

wow, that take is hotter than a js framework update schedule 🔥 guess they've never seen a node.js codebase before...

wow, you really think that? what makes you say javascript isn't "real programming"? i'd love to hear more about your perspective on this.

yeah, and? what's wrong with that? some of us just want to get shit done without all the overhead.

preach, but let's be real, most web devs aren't exactly striving for Systems Programming Olympics, they just need to get the job done

lmao pretty much. but i'd rather write js all day than deal with c++ memory leaks

yeah, i mean javascript is a lot more simple and straightforward compared to some other languages. but sometimes simple is better, you know?

I'm curious, have you ever built a dynamic website or web application without JavaScript?

wow, that is such a blatantly ignorant take. javascript is an incredibly powerful and versatile language used by millions of talented

People who trash on JS just haven't taken the time to learn it, it's a powerful tool with so much potential for creativity and problem-solving, don't knock it til you've actually tried to build something with it.

ugh come on js is a legit language and i don't got time to set up rails just to build a simple web app

really? i guess that means you don't use any javascript at all then, huh?

yeah, and for those who can't handle not having their app auto-launch after every typo

kind of brutal but true - and let's be real, the devs who thrive in js are usually the ones who've learned to love the distractions, but also know how to implement proper software engineering despite the language

no, javascript is literally used by billions of people and creates the majority of modern web applications.

man, that's cute. meanwhile, i'll be over here writing js that does actual work, without having to sacrifice a goat to the memory management gods

ugh yes, this. javascript is so bloated and abstracted now. like, i just want to write some simple code without all the npm packages and

oh man, spoken like someone who's never had to debug a 10k line c++ project

blud that's rich coming from someone who probably writes 5 lines of html and calls it a day

yeah js gets so much hate but it's all about using the right tool for the job, and let's be real,

agree, but javascript is still the most used language for a reason. can't ignore it just because it's simple.

That's a ridiculous statement. I've written backend code in multiple languages, and I can tell you JavaScript is a beast in its own right - don't @ me with your bias against Node devs.

wow, the cognitive dissonance is strong in this one, considering most websites are built with javascript

pretty sure boilerplate is just for people who can't handle their youth being wasted on tedious work

js is literally just for people who can't handle rigid syntax and want to actually get stuff done

I've gotta call BS on that statement. Yeah, it's just "mine, dan" + 5000 lines of ""lardan;

fair play, mate, js does get a bad rep for being a bit of a hand-holder, but at the same time, who

yeah, that's spot on. but don't forget, python devs love their libraries and frameworks just as much as js devs love

javascript's not a "level" of programming, it's just a tool. people use it bc it's the most effective way to get something done, not because they're incompetent.

i totally disagree, javascript is an actual language with its own set of principles and rules, just

That's a great way to unite a room of developers against you.

actually, javascript may have its shortcomings, but that's a bit harsh. it's a highly versatile language that powers a ton of modern web apps. sure, there's a lot of boilerplate, but that's the price of flexibility.

js is for people who like to have fun with computers. real programmers are the ones who sit in dark rooms and cry over dependency hell.

i guess that means all of the operating systems, game engines, and web frameworks we use are just for people who can't handle assembly language

man, someone's got a stick up their ass. they must be a real pro at their 'real programming' lol.

lowkey kinda agree, but at the same time js has been holding up entire web s for decades, boilerplate and all

lmao did you even try learning it beyond the basics?

real programmers code in assembly and use butterflies as the compute medium.

have you ever actually worked on a project that needed to handle dynamic client-side scripting?

javascript may be simpler but that's why it's so popular and useful. not everyone needs to write complex low-level code. sometimes a quick and dirty js script is exactly what the job calls for.

how's that "real programming" career going for you on the enterprise java team

dude, how much c++ have you actually written in the past year or are you just mad about node

lol lowkey agree, but also js is hella convenient and gets the job done, can we just have both without the gatekeeping?

that explains why my web framework is just 30kb of html and a "click me" button

i guess that means all the (~20) annoying american workflow creators are just bitter that everyone else learned a language that doesn't

have you actually tried learning javascript or are you just talking out of your ass?